Obama to visit Minneapolis on Monday Feb 4th to push gun control and Mayor Rybak wants to blackmail cooperation from gun-makers to stop making semi-autos.  Nice!

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Ed said:

Another ironic example of the Law of Unintended Consequences ...

Actually, it's the law of Intended consequences.  The bad guys want this.  They say so repeatedly, and it's time we start to believe them and act accordingly.

Yes, we need to be zero tolerance voters.  Zero tolerance of *any* new restrictions.  Zero tolerance of *any* "common sense" restrictions.  There is no such thing -- they are all fakes designed to sucker us into going along.  What they actually are is the camel's nose, and we've been told that explicitly.

First we get large magazine bans, then small magazine bans, then any magazine bans.  First we get background checks at stores, then we get background checks everywhere.  And guess what?  That's just another name for a nationwide gun registry -- which is the final step the bad guys need before they can confiscate them all.  And that is their goal.  Again, they have said so.  Believe it.

In New York State the State Police are now "dumping" the registration process upon the County Clerks Offices.  The County Clerks Offices are saying they don't have the funds to maintain the registration process.  The State Police also commented and used the term "confiscation" for those who don't "register," eventhough Guv. Cuomo advised he wasn't going to confiscate.  So here you have the "tail wagging the dog," as well as that other continuous U.S. political dilemma of putting one's foot in one's mouth of not having a sufficient amount of funds to maintain this "anti-firearms" newly hatched legislation.  This besides the fact that the Royal New York State Law Cobblers forgot to exclude ALL police officers and state police from it's restrictions of only allowing seven round magazines and "one-up-the-snout!"  Don't let this happen in YOUR State.  This bill became "law" in a last minute, overnight "Star Chamber Proceeding."   Heed well my fellow firearms owners. "The British Are Coming!"...and they are us!

If you wish email me at: mur.cap@gmail.com   I will give you info in this regard

 

 

 

Has anyone that has legal standing filed for an injunction against this law?

The law in still in the "pupa" stage and needs some adjustment.  One amendment floating around is to allow police officer or LEO retirees, including those who were "FEDS," to be allowed to carry more than the presently restricted seven rounds in the magazine and one in the bore rule.  Now, I would personally benefit by that change BUT I believe all carry permit holders should be allowed to go back to the ten round regulation.  Previously, I was allowed to carry 15 rounds in the mag because that was my service pistol and it was "granfathered"-in.   Every State is different, that's why the admonishment.  The "LIberal Cavalry" is coming and it's not arriving to give us any more "ammo."  To respond to Smokemup, let me say that back when HR218 which is the law to allow active and retired LEOs the privilege (right?) to carry in all 50 States and Puerto Rico and the American Virgin Island, the IACP or Internatonal Association of Chiefs of Police were against it.  You can't tell the players without a "score card."  I know that some of my range "buddies" voted for Obama, knowing he's against The Second Amendment (since he cut his teeth as a Marxist/Socialist, he would have to be), yet they voted for him.  Wake me up when it's over and let me know if we still reside in America or Amerika.
 
Ed said:

Has anyone that has legal standing filed for an injunction against this law?

I hope so.  Especially given that Cuomo violated his own state constitution by eliminating the 2 day review prior to signing rule.

Ed said:

Has anyone that has legal standing filed for an injunction against this law?

"Star Chamber Proceedings"  Now tactic is too low for the "do-gooder" Liberals.  They always "know" best.

There appears to be no justifiable reason to differentiate either in law or practice based on past or current employment status, including military veteran status. We are all either citizens or legal residents of the United States with the right to keep and bear arms. Please educate us why there should be any differentiation or cause to discriminate.

My personal opinion is that there should be no magazine capacity maximums under law for any length of weapon, whether it be seven, ten, fifteen, twenty  or thirty. As a safety issue the only issue should be that the design of the weapon should reliably cycle with any size magazine that the manufacturer provides for their product.

Does your automobile only go as fast as the speed limit that is the maximum legal speed limit in your state?


mur.cap said:

The law in still in the "pupa" stage and needs some adjustment.  One amendment floating around is to allow police officer or LEO retirees, including those who were "FEDS," to be allowed to carry more than the presently restricted seven rounds in the magazine and one in the bore rule.  Now, I would personally benefit by that change BUT I believe all carry permit holders should be allowed to go back to the ten round regulation.  Previously, I was allowed to carry 15 rounds in the mag because that was my service pistol and it was "granfathered"-in.   Every State is different, that's why the admonishment.  The "LIberal Cavalry" is coming and it's not arriving to give us any more "ammo."  To respond to Smokemup, let me say that back when HR218 which is the law to allow active and retired LEOs the privilege (right?) to carry in all 50 States and Puerto Rico and the American Virgin Island, the IACP or Internatonal Association of Chiefs of Police were against it.  You can't tell the players without a "score card."  I know that some of my range "buddies" voted for Obama, knowing he's against The Second Amendment (since he cut his teeth as a Marxist/Socialist, he would have to be), yet they voted for him.  Wake me up when it's over and let me know if we still reside in America or Amerika.
 
Ed said:

Has anyone that has legal standing filed for an injunction against this law?

Your politicians, chose either party seem to believe there's a reason to differentiate.  NY has a capacity limit 7-rounds, it previously had a capacity limit 10 - rounds and the Feds via Obama are working while we "diddle" with these emails, on a capacity limit: "Obama’s remarks in Minneapolis reflected the political realities on Capitol Hill, where Democratic leadership aides privately say an assault weapons ban has little chance of passing. The fight will instead center on universal background checks and, some Democrats hope, high capacity magazines." You use the analogy of cars and speed limits.  As we all know, most analogies don't totally represent the issues under discussion. But vehicles have "speed governors" for certain industries to prevent "speeding"  They"speed block" the vehicles, like NYS new gun laws say you can "quantity block" a magazine to only 7-round capacity.  I prefer the analogy that people also get killed by others driving vehicles with  "automatic" transmissions, so all vehicles should be limited to "stick shifts," especially since most people get killed by autos than "semi-autos."   Just MHO.

I personally think Mineapolis mayor Rybak is harmless - what is he going to do, stop buying his police officers guns from Glock and ammo from ATK?  Ooohh - I'll bet those manufacturers they're shaking in their booties. 

On another note (has nothing to do with Rybak), I was at the state Capitol today and got a spot in the sub-committee hearing over the last 10 minutes of their meeting.  They were reviewing 6 proposed house floor bills relating to 7-round and 10-round magazines, an AWB, mental health screening, increased penalties for carrying a gun on school grounds, etc.  The corridors were packed with people today.  I only saw two women representing some anti-gun group with a slogan about having 'the freedom from being shot'.  I made some comment to them, but I don't think they heard me due to the crowd noise, about  "..gotta protect those muggers and rapists."  What is scary about the AWB and the 7-10 round magazine bills is that if they become law, the guns and magazines will have to be turned in or you will become a felon.  There are 4 more hearing to follow this week.  While I only caught 10 minutes of today's hearing, it was all about people representing those who have had mental illness in the past, but have no history of violence, and have been 'cured'.  The big fear of these representatives was that their constituents would have their second amendment rights infringed.  This all-DFL committee is going to get a lot more earfuls in the next few days.  Five of the 15 committee members were wearing the 2nd amendment buttons that were being passed out.

Arne,

As I admonished in previous forum comments...other states will "replicate" or attempt to "replicate" NYS's Legislative "end run" bill, now "Law" regarding 10 and 7 round magazine maximums.  It interesting that the Obama Clan is shooting for 10 rounders.  But of course they can "pare 'em down" later.  If these other states don't wake up and smell the conspiracy, they will suffer the same infringements.  Once "installed" these limitations are more difficult to remove than a computer virus.  It's interesting how liberal firearms detractors just jump on any bandwagon but the bandwagon they do jump on will always be the most "restrictive."
 
Arne Boberg said:

I personally think Mineapolis mayor Rybak is harmless - what is he going to do, stop buying his police officers guns from Glock and ammo from ATK?  Ooohh - I'll bet those manufacturers they're shaking in their booties. 

On another note (has nothing to do with Rybak), I was at the state Capitol today and got a spot in the sub-committee hearing over the last 10 minutes of their meeting.  They were reviewing 6 proposed house floor bills relating to 7-round and 10-round magazines, an AWB, mental health screening, increased penalties for carrying a gun on school grounds, etc.  The corridors were packed with people today.  I only saw two women representing some anti-gun group with a slogan about having 'the freedom from being shot'.  I made some comment to them, but I don't think they heard me due to the crowd noise, about  "..gotta protect those muggers and rapists."  What is scary about the AWB and the 7-10 round magazine bills is that if they become law, the guns and magazines will have to be turned in or you will become a felon.  There are 4 more hearing to follow this week.  While I only caught 10 minutes of today's hearing, it was all about people representing those who have had mental illness in the past, but have no history of violence, and have been 'cured'.  The big fear of these representatives was that their constituents would have their second amendment rights infringed.  This all-DFL committee is going to get a lot more earfuls in the next few days.  Five of the 15 committee members were wearing the 2nd amendment buttons that were being passed out.

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