Consolidated List of Boberg Compatible 9mm Ammunition

Boberg's patented loading design is great for us and helps us by squeezing a longer barrel into a smaller package but some ammo that isn't manufactured up to specs may cause problems.  I don't consider this a flaw of the gun but rather a flaw in the ammo - You can't expect to put cheap tires on a Ferrari and still expect it to go 0 to 60 in 3 seconds.

 

The problem has been separation of the bullet from the casing because of inadequate crimping by the bullet manufacturer (remember most guns PUSH the next round into the barrel and thus don't have problems with bad crimps. The Boberg PULLS then PUSHES the next round into place.)  Plated ammunition is generally not able to be crimped very well.  The lead is too soft for the case mouth to get any decent tension on the bullet.  Full metal jacket or hollowpoint ammo, however, had a solid foundation for the case mouth to create tension during crimping.

 

I will update the list as people post more of their experiences - please try to be as specific as possible regarding Manufacturer, model, grain, FMJ/JHP, flat/round nose, etc.  All manufacturers are constantly updating manufacturing procedures when they identify deficiencies.  For failed ammo, if you can identify roughly when ammo was purchased, this info will be posted so as to not permanently blacklist any particular brand/model of ammo.  For me, however, I personally would not want to carry any ammo with questionable reliability in my gun as my life may depend on it in the future.

 

So from the posts I've seen so far and squinting at hard to read pics of boxes, here is the current list.  I have chosen to put all ammo with any reproducible issues in the incompatible list but some of these may still usable for practice or with swapping the trigger spring for a heavier one.  I would personally avoid regularly shooting ammo that separates because it is a pain to clean out and the loose gunpowder flies right into your face.  Regarding separation malfunctions, Arne is working on a 4.2" barrel that significantly reduces separations in case you want to use a particular ammo that has light crimps.

Disclaimer: Boberg Arms does not officially recommend any type of ammunition, nor does it guarantee the performance of any particular type of ammunition since we do not control the manufacturing of ammunition.  We highly recommend that you test-fire ammunition at the range before carrying it for self-defense.

 

Known Incompatible:

Atlanta Arms - any of their ammo (according to them)

Aguila 124gr FMJ (reported to jam 5-10% of the time, 1 hard primer report)

Bitterroot Valley Ammunition (BVAC reloads) 115gr (2 separations in 150 rounds)

Blazer Brass (5 separations in 6 magazines)

Black Hills +P 115gr (can be over-crimped - little case mouth for magazine to register on)

Blazer Aluminum Case (2 separations in 9 shots)

CorBon +P 115gr, 125gr JHP (separations and stovepipes)

Estate (possibly made in same factory as Federal Champion) (separations)

Federal Champion (separations in batches prior to summer of 2010 as well as 1/12)

Federal Range and Target 115gr FMJmultiple separations reported

Glaser (Dakota) reportedly crimps all their ammo subpar but note report below of specific grain compatibility

Hornady 125gr HAP (2 bullet shift/FTF in 21 rounds, improved after break-in)

Independence 115gr FMJ (2 separations in 2 magazines)

Independence 124gr FMJ (1 separation in a case of 50)

MagTech Guardian gold 115gr jhp that separated 1 in 7 times.

MFS Russian Zinc Plated Steel Case 115gr (extra rounds ejected)

Remington Golden Saber 147gr JHP(bullet shift reported)

Sellier and Bellot 115gr and 124gr (Hard Primers but works well with 7.5lb trigger spring or stronger, 1 reported FTF with fully loaded mag)

Speer Gold Dot 124gr +P (1 separation in 85 rounds)

Speer Lawman 115gr, 124gr FMJ (multiple reports of separations, FTF)

Tula Steelcase 115gr (Hard Primers)

Winchester Silver Tips 115gr (1 separation malfunction in a case of 50)
Winchester SXZ9 115gr JHP (FTF)

 

Known Compatible:

Aguila

     115gr FMJ

American Eagle

     115gr and 124gr (1 FTE reported) and 147gr FMJ

     Flat Point 115gr and 147gr FMJ

Black Hills

     115gr +P - see possible over crimp issue above

     124gr JHP

     124gr +P

     Subsonic 147gr JHP

Brown Bear

     115gr FMJ

Buffalo Bore

     +P 147gr

Corbon

     +P 90gr

     PowR Ball +P 100gr

     +P 115gr DPX

Federal

     Classic Hi Shok 115gr JHP (3 separations from an old 1990's batch)

     Guard Dog 105gr EFMJ

     Premium HST +P 124gr

     Premium Hydra-Shok 124 gr, 147gr JHP, 147gr +P

     Premium Personal Defense Hydra-Shok JHP 124gr, 135gr and 147gr

     Range and Target 115gr FMJ

Fiocci

     147gr JHP

     115gr FMJ

Georgia Arms

     "Canned Heat" 115gr FMJ

Glaser

     Pow'rBall 100gr +P JHP

Hirtenberger

     100gr JSP

Hornady

     Critical Defense 115gr FTX JHP

     Critical Duty 135gr +P

     TAP FPD 124gr and 147gr

     XTP 115gr

Liberty Ammunition

     Ultra Defense/USM4 50gr +P Fragmenting HP

Magtech

     147gr Flat FMC

     115gr FMJ

     First Defense 92.6gr Solid Copper Hollow Point

     Guardian Gold 115gr +P JHP

On Target

     115gr FMJ

PMC

     115gr JHP

     Bronze 115gr, 124gr FMJ

     124gr FMJ

ProLoad

     +P 124gr JHP

Prvi Partizan

     158gr FMJ

RBCD

     Performance Plus Platinum 60gr Total Fragmenting Soft Point

Remington

     Golden Saber 124gr JHP

     Golden Saber Bonded 124gr +P

     UMC 115gr MC and 124gr MC

     UMC Leadless 124gr and 147gr

     UMC Target 115gr MC and 124gr MC (1 report of FTF 10 rounds in 50)

RWS

     85gr Copper Matrix NTF

     124gr RN

Speer

     Gold Dot 124gr JHP or 147gr

     Gold Dot +P 147gr JHP

     Gold Dot GDHP 124gr    

     Gold Dot Short Barrel 124gr GDHP

 

Tulammo

     115gr Polymer-coated Steel Case FMJ (steel casing not recommended during break-in) 

 

Underwood

    115gr +P+ reported compatible but beware theoretical wear issues

 

Winchester:

     NATO 124gr, 147gr FMJ

     PDX1 Defender Bonded 124gr JHP +P (Partial separations reported - bullet shift prior to firing), 147gr OK

     Personal Protection 115gr and 147gr JHP

     Ranger 124gr, 127 +P

     Ranger Bonded 124gr +P

     SXT HP

     White Box 115gr and 124gr Bulk FMJ 
     

Wolf

     115gr FMJ

     Gold

 

 

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I'll add here that I'm impressed so far with the customer service at Bond Arms.

The difference between your customer service & mine; is that my gun needs to go to Bond Arms for the repair.  They claim they are not ready to handle  repairs in Texas.

John,

Sorry to hear you're having such difficulties with your Boberg.  I hope Bond come up to speed on repairs soon.  The Boberg is a complicated beast.  What problem are you having?

The difference between your customer service & mine; is that my gun needs to go to Bond Arms for the repair.  They claim they are not ready to handle  repairs in Texas.

There is a good sized roll pin that you see on each side of the slide just ahead of the rear site.  I believe it holds the tongs,firing pin assembly etc.  The pin has shifted 1/16th of an inch plus, to the right side of the slide.  It sticks out and is very sharp.  I don't know if some of it is missing.  My gun dealer pulled something up on his computer that said Boberg had seen this before; and he recommended not to shoot the gun. The gun dealer is just blocks from the former Boberg offices; and he seems quite knowledgeable about the gun.  I have had contact with Garrett at Bond Arms; and am waiting until they are set up for repairs.  I'm tending to believe that it could be quite some time before it happens.  I bought my XR9-S on the 11th of this past November.

John, here's a link to a comment from Arne which may be what your gunsmith was looking at. If it were mine and the pin wasn't loose I'd drive it back in as Arne suggested, or have a gunsmith do it. I'm not suggesting you do that, that's just what I would do. And I'd keep an eye on it.

http://community.bobergarms.com/forum/topics/coiled-pin-sticking-ou...

Thanks Mollie!  That is exactly what they said.  I must have not used the right words when I did my search.  There is so much helpful info on this forum.  I've attempted to read as much as time allows.  I replied to Milan to see what exactly the remedy was.  Thanks again.

Yes, this forum is a wealth of information! I search it all the time.

One thing I recently discovered is that the other pins are held in place by set screws. So if you see any of them creeping (as my trigger pin did), it's a simple fix to push them back in and tighten the set screw. Maybe with some Loctite.
One other thing--periodically check the set screws on the sights. The screw on my rear sight loosened and the sight completely loosened. And if the sight moves too far, the firing pin safety spring will fall out.

Mark Dante who was the head Smith at Boberg now works at Coonan in the Cities.

Since he is close to you, perhaps he could help you out.



John s neska said:

Thanks Mollie!  That is exactly what they said.  I must have not used the right words when I did my search.  There is so much helpful info on this forum.  I've attempted to read as much as time allows.  I replied to Milan to see what exactly the remedy was.  Thanks again.

Thanks Bob!  I sent Mark a message through this forum yesterday, and am waiting  a reply.  He hasn't been on this site for a while.  I received word from Garrett of Bond Arms in the last few days; and he says Bond will not do any repairs for 2-3 months.  I asked him if I could purchase the pin I need and attempt to install through a local "smith".  I haven't heard back.  I know he talked to Mark about it at the SHOT show,  But nothing has been resolved.  I only had 8 weeks of shooting the XR until this pin shifted, and I have already been unable to use it for a month already.  Hate to think about 3 more months.

Loktite (green) and soft hammer or a rubber head punch (sick I have one) -- all better.  If it did not drop free completely and move parts around.  If it dropped any parts loose inside I'd wait.  I don't see any danger of trying it.  If you have one round in the chamber and pull the trigger it either fires or does not.  What make it safe or not is the barrel it is seated in.  Possible to make it worse if you do nothing and keep shooting, so I am not sure if the advise not to shoot was based on safety (which I think is not valid) or doing more harm (which would be).  By very old (pre patent) gun has lots of pins that used to walk about ... Loktite green is your friend.  Drip on each side, tap it in, wait a day. should be good to go.

John:

Send me a friend request. Maybe I can help you.



John s neska said:

Thanks Bob!  I sent Mark a message through this forum yesterday, and am waiting  a reply.  He hasn't been on this site for a while.  I received word from Garrett of Bond Arms in the last few days; and he says Bond will not do any repairs for 2-3 months.  I asked him if I could purchase the pin I need and attempt to install through a local "smith".  I haven't heard back.  I know he talked to Mark about it at the SHOT show,  But nothing has been resolved.  I only had 8 weeks of shooting the XR until this pin shifted, and I have already been unable to use it for a month already.  Hate to think about 3 more months.

https://youtu.be/eCXDUHk5he8

The Yankee Marshal tests the crimp on a number of 9mm ammos. I like his methodology, albeit he was looking at it for a different reason from us.

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