I am one of those that believe that Boberg Arms has an underpriced product and will eventually raise their prices when it becomes incredibly clear that they cannot make enough guns to satisfy orders at the current introductory price....at least that is what I keep repeating to myself so that I can justify paying more on gunbroker to get my gun earlier.

 

I live in New York. Up here, we are impatient.  We don't like to wait.  We don't try to sugar coat our opinions and smile at strangers and other time-wasting things like that. Life is too short to play games. I like to tell it like I see it and move on.

 

I've been reading all the posts, reading all the reviews, posting my own irrelevant, unfounded opinions but now that I finally have the XR9-S in my hands, this is my impression: I am more convinced that Boberg Arms will need to raise their price because they have a winner on their hands. If the price stays the same, Boberg Arms will not be able to invest in expanding their production and will have many unhappy people if their waiting list gets to 5 years long.

 

Others have posted that their guns are solid and feel great. I would agree with that. This is something that is VERY difficult to describe. I'm sure that there will be people that will not feel comfortable with this gun's grip. This is what makes each of us unique. At my FFL, many different people with different sized hands and different preferences held the gun - some who prefer Kahrs, Glocks, Sigs or Kimbers. All of them liked the feel of the Boberg.  These people are hard to please, picky people and I was surprised when they all felt comfortable with the Boberg.  One of the more stubborn people initially said "It feels OK" but, as he held it longer, upgraded his opinion to "not bad for a new company."  This translates into a rave review from a New Yorker.

 

Comfort and preferences vary from person to person. Honestly, the gun LOOKS different and the slide to trigger/grip position is different than almost any other gun I've seen. I had reservations before holding the gun as to whether I'd like the feel. Most guns have their grip at the end of the slide so most of the slide weight is forward. Static balance on the Boberg is a different feeling because the grip is closer to center under the slide. Sights are easy to see unlike other mouse guns with tiny nubbins for sights.  Target acquisition is easy and the gun points well with excellent balance.

 

The gun has a quality feel to it. Tolerances are tight. Buttery smooth trigger with a full, consistent pull.  There is a strange flap-type hammer that is in the field of vision when looking down the sights.  Not sure if I'm going to find this distracting when I go to the range but I'm sure not going to notice it if I am trying to stop a threat.  One of the first things I looked at was the unique trampoline grips as some others have noticed a "gap" between the plates. I don't know if my gun had the same gap that they are referring to but any joint seams are consistent and appear like they were designed to be there.  This gun exudes quality workmanship (As if Arne cared so much he slept with it a couple of nights before letting it leave the factory).

 

The XR9-S is not the lightest gun but not extra heavy either. With the predominance of plastic frames on the market, this Boberg definitely feels more dense than most.  This feeling is possibly due to the metal frame, solid slide and substantial barrel. The longer barrel appears to have a much thicker wall than other .40 cal guns I own (HK P2000, Kahr P40, see pic).  I don't have a micrometer handy but I would estimate that the external diameter of the 3 barrels are very close.  The 9mm bore is much smaller thereby the thicker wall of the XR9's barrel - and more weight. 

Barrels are all equidistant from the camera but the other 2 slides are locked back.  Boberg slide has OBI inserted.  Left: HK P2000 .40, Center: Boberg XR9-S 9mm, Right: Kahr P40 w/ beveled barrel tip

 

Head on view of HK P2000 .40cal barrel with XR9-S to the right

 

Head on view of Kahr P40 beveled barrel tip

 

For comparison:

Empty w/ magazine:

Ruger LCP .380 cal - 9.72 oz

Boberg XR9-S 9mm - 17.98 oz

Kahr P40 .40 cal - 19.68 oz

 

Loaded:

Ruger LCP .380 cal - 12.02 oz

     Loaded 6+1 w/ Hornandy Critical Defense 90gr FTX JHP

Boberg XR9-S 9mm - 21.55 oz

     Loaded 7+1 w/ Speer LE Gold Dot 124gr JHP +P

Kahr P40 .40 cal - 23.35  Oz

     Loaded 6+1 w/ PMC Starfire 155gr JHP

 

Personally, the weight of a fully loaded Boberg is something that would dissuade me from front pocket carrying this gun. Also, the thickness of the gun is substantially more than that of my current pocket carry, the Ruger LCP. Wearing jeans, I find the LCP with a nylon pocket holster to be a snug fit. Just to check for feel, I tested the XR9 in my front jeans pocket with no holster. (Disclaimer: For safety, I would not pocket carry any gun without the protection of a holster.) Even without the slight added bulk of a holster, I was not confident I could use the Boberg from a front pocket carry position in jeans. The extra length of the grip makes the gun difficult to draw smoothly and I don't feel comfortable that I could draw it with the additional stress of a threat. Plus, the added thickness of the gun creates a more obvious print (that may be partially obscured by some pocket holsters at the cost of even more depth).  I'm sure many people have bigger pockets than me and will be happy pocket carrying this gun.

 

I typically wear dress slacks which have bigger front pocket openings. This makes for an easier draw but the added weight of the Boberg's sturdy build loaded with ammo makes for lopsided pockets. I suspect that frequent carry of a loaded Boberg in the front pocket would probably result in more frequent pocket repairs.  With my luck, my pocket would rip and I'd have a Plaxico Burress accident.  Back pocket carry is something that I have never gotten used to so I can't comment. Arne feels comfortable with back pocket carry but I don't like sitting on my lifeline. I think my XR9-S would best be carried IWB and I will keep an eye out for a holster that piques my interest.

 

Miscellaneous observations:

I find the grip on the Boberg to be about as long as my Beretta PX4 Storm SubCompact (but not as thick due to the PX4's double stack mag).  I can comfortably put 2 of my skinny fingers on the grip with room for another 1/3-1/2 finger.  This is where I wish that Boberg or another aftermarket company will come out with a floorplate similar to the retractable pinky extenders that Beretta has for their PX4s.

 

A loaded mag doesn't jump or fall out when pressing the mag release button.  In fact, it needs a small but purposeful pull to get the magazine out.  This is because the tongs are holding onto the next round in the magazine.  When the magazine is empty, it will fall out with gravity when you push the release button but doesn't jump out like most people are used to.  No follower in the mag is a little strange to look at.

 

I LOVE my Maglula UpLULA Mag Loader.  When I am at an extended range session, I don't want to have sore thumbs or waste too much time loading the mags and the Uplula has been a godsend.  Unfortunately, mine (the universal 9mm-45ACP version) doesn't fit the Boberg magazines.  (see pic)   I have even used it on my .380 LCP mags without a problem.  The flange at the top of the Boberg magazines curve in too much.  No big deal.  I guess I'll have to buy a Baby UpLULA (.22LR-.380ACP) for the XR9-S.  I hope the reverse tilting angle of the magazine doesn't cause a problem.

My UpLULA with some magazines - can you guess which one is the Boberg?

 

 

Conclusion:

The Boberg XR9-S is a DIFFERENT gun but all in good ways.  This is what happens when you have a new guy on the block that is smart enough not to take anything for granted.  Sure, there is the old saying "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."  Well, if it weren't for people like Arne Boberg with good, old-fashioned American ingenuity, we'd still be reading by candle light and pedaling our bikes to work.

 

I have yet to fire the gun but already I can see that this gun is a winner.  There have been enough other positive reviews of the firing aspects that I am confident my Boberg will go bang when I pull the trigger.  I find it very humorous when other manufacturers advise you NOT to fire your gun frequently or change parts every 200 rounds.  THAT doesn't inspire confidence in me.  I look forward to using my Boberg for many years to come, not just for carry or show. 

 

In our society, people can pay $15,000 for a basic car or pay triple or more for a car with a better name and more bells and whistles.  Either will get you where you want to go.  In the gun market, Boberg Arms has set themselves apart by offering a quality, semi-custom gun at less than comparable premium gun manufacturers (Kimber Solo CDP for $1223 or Rohrbaugh R9s for $1195).  On top of this, Boberg is throwing in extra features that aren't available at any price.  The technical advances in the gun are impressive but no less impressive are the responsiveness and personalized care that Boberg Arms provides.  A great gun at a great price with a great company that stands behind it....that's what I think of the Boberg XR9-S.

 

Range Report to follow....

Conan

 

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I too am used to needing a loader to load the PX4 magazines.  The spring in the XR9s magazine is considerably lighter, I only have trouble loading the last round in the XR9 magazine by unassisted hand (and that is not that difficult, easy to get used to).  I'm sure you will have fun at the range (make that FUN!!).  Thanks for the comparisons.

So if Meco is good enough for Arne's OCD brain, I figured it would be good enough for me also.  I gave Robert from Meco a call and put in my order.  I like the mahogany color but unlike Arne, I'd prefer the leather on the body side to extend the entire length of the slide, all the way to the hammer.  I don't like the chill of the slide against my skin.  See pics below.

Shorter leather (see pic of Arne on front page)

 

Full-length leather

 

I tried to inquire about maybe setting up a group buy for us but Robert is about as OCD with his manufacturing as Arne is.  Robert doesn't compromise on quality and is a work-a-holic.  His production times are 4-6 weeks and he can't keep up with all of his current orders.  He doesn't want to hire more people because they wouldn't be able to live up to his standards.  The bottom line for us....sorry....no group buy discount.

 

After talking with Robert, I felt all the more comfortable that getting the Meco holster is the right choice for me.  I paid a premium and waited for an meticulously made, semi-custom gun so now I'm going to pay a little more and wait for a meticulously made, custom holster.  FYI - pricing was $65 for the IWB and $25 more for stitching instead of rivets.  Shipping $7.  If anyone is on the waiting list for their XR9-S and want a Meco, plan ahead and order it a little earlier.

 

I ordered (and received) a shark skin front pocket holster for my XR9 from Meco a couple of weeks ago.  Turn time for mine was 1 week from time of order to delivery in my mailbox.  I love it.
 
Brokedoc said:

So if Meco is good enough for Arne's OCD brain, I figured it would be good enough for me also.  I gave Robert from Meco a call and put in my order.  I like the mahogany color but unlike Arne, I'd prefer the leather on the body side to extend the entire length of the slide, all the way to the hammer.  I don't like the chill of the slide against my skin.  See pics below.

Shorter leather (see pic of Arne on front page)

 

Full-length leather

 

I tried to inquire about maybe setting up a group buy for us but Robert is about as OCD with his manufacturing as Arne is.  Robert doesn't compromise on quality and is a work-a-holic.  His production times are 4-6 weeks and he can't keep up with all of his current orders.  He doesn't want to hire more people because they wouldn't be able to live up to his standards.  The bottom line for us....sorry....no group buy discount.

 

After talking with Robert, I felt all the more comfortable that getting the Meco holster is the right choice for me.  I paid a premium and waited for an meticulously made, semi-custom gun so now I'm going to pay a little more and wait for a meticulously made, custom holster.  FYI - pricing was $65 for the IWB and $25 more for stitching instead of rivets.  Shipping $7.  If anyone is on the waiting list for their XR9-S and want a Meco, plan ahead and order it a little earlier.

 

We need pictures of said holster!

I have been to the range briefly twice in the past week and I've been able to put about 200 rounds through the XR9-S.  The felt recoil is definitely less than a comparable subcompact/pocket 9mm.  Trigger is buttery smooth.  I don't think I have great aim but I would say that this gun makes it much easier for me to shoot tighter groups.  The below image is from 7 yards.

I would say that my groups are off a little but after taking a closer look at my gun, it looks like the rear site was installed a little to the left which may account for my aim being off.  I will adjust the sight after I get my safety spring replacement kit.

 

Occasionally, the ejected cases come very close to my head.  Once, I was hit in the lip by a spent casing but I'm not sure if this was a ricochet.  That range has an automated target carrier pretty close overhead (looks like a garage door opener) and the spent casing may have bounced off of that.  Another time, a spent casing hit my right ear protector.  DEFINITELY remember to wear eye protection when firing your weapons!

 

I suspect that I am affected by the spring recall because on a couple of rounds (maybe 3 times in 200 rounds), the bullet would be in the chamber and the slide would be stuck about 1/2" to 1" from going fully into battery.  A couple of attempts to re-rack the slide ejects the round and I was good to go again.  I will be swapping out the spring later this week and hopefully this will fix the problem.

 

As I posted in the other thread (see post here) I had 3 separations in these 200 boxes - All of them were with Independence ammo.  Cleaning out the gun after a separation is a pain in the butt.  The grains of gunpowder are like sand.  Just like sand, they seem to end up in every single crack and crevice and are a hassle to get out.  I'm unsure if it's OK to use compressed air in case I blow the powder into the trigger or loading tweezer mechanism and have them wedge in there.  Any suggestions?

 

These separation failures are kind of self inflicted since I am buying multiple types of rounds that haven't been tested yet with the Boberg.  Hopefully my experimentation will help our community's members save some money and grief by not using ammunition that is prone to separate.  Strange that all of the separations so far have been with lower-end American made ammo.  Maybe it's because most of us prefer to buy American ammo but the few international brands that have been tried have not had any problems yet.

 

I still have a very positive opinion of the Boberg XR9-S. Accuracy, comfort, recoil, balance, and build quality have all been top notch.  Keep up the great work Arne and I'm still on the list for a few more!

Compressed air is OK to clean out the gun - it won't hurt anything.  Just looking at these bullets (no sign of any crimp line), the one on the left looks an awful lot like the bullets used in Federal Champion ammo., but I could be wrong...

I got home late tonight and checked my mailbox - my Meco Holsters arrived!!!!

 

Robert from Meco has not only mastered the art of making beautiful holsters, he has mastered the art of underpromise, overdeliver.  He told me turn around was 6 weeks.  I got it in my hands in just over 2.  YMMV.  This was a HUGE surprise for me given the bad news that Robert's mother is sick.  I was thinking my original 6 week ETA would have gotten pushed into Feb or Mar.

 

First some pics of the Meco IWB in Mahogany color.  Apologies for the poor light...stupid cell phone cam....

For the sharper eyed people, you will notice that the leather goes the entire length of the slide as compared to Arne's that stops a little short.  I didn't want the chill of the bare metal against my skin even though it warms up quickly.

 

The quality is top notch.  The gun fits in it like a glove.  I love the touch with the embossed Boberg shield.

I've played with the position and I think I prefer the 5 o'clock spot instead of the 2 o'clock position.  It disappears into the small of my back and if I untuck my shirt or wear a jacket, it is undetectable.  Unless I'm in a car, I typically don't sit all the way back into the chair so it should not bother me when I sit.  When I wear it in the 2 o'clock position and I slouch while seated, it reminds me it's there but it's not uncomfortable.

 

A quick comment on the Meco holster...when I first took it out of the box, it was lighter and of thinner material than my other holsters.  I'm no leather expert so forgive my lack of proper terminology.  Looking from the edge, my other holsters appear to be a thicker double leather design.  The Meco appears to be a thinner single layer.  My first instinct was...OK.  Thinner leather, cheaper quality leather.  After wearing it a little, I must say that I like the thinner leather for IWB.  The holster is well made and quality is excellent.  As a frame of reference, below I have a pic of the Meco and a pic of my High Noon holster with my H&K P2000, also an IWB.  The thickness of the Meco's leather is almost exactly half that of the High Noon.

I'm happy with my choice for IWB and reiterate that for me, the XR9-S is too heavy and slightly too bulky for front pocket carry but I guess I'm used to front pocket carrying the LCP.

Thank you Conan for the first impression write-up and pictures of your holsters. Both really helped me out.

One question for you concerning the Meco holster. What are your feelings about the smooth lining option? is it needed or what purpose would it serve?

Thanks!

Brokedoc said:

I got home late tonight and checked my mailbox - my Meco Holsters arrived!!!!

 

Robert from Meco has not only mastered the art of making beautiful holsters, he has mastered the art of underpromise, overdeliver.  He told me turn around was 6 weeks.  I got it in my hands in just over 2.  YMMV.  This was a HUGE surprise for me given the bad news that Robert's mother is sick.  I was thinking my original 6 week ETA would have gotten pushed into Feb or Mar.

 

I am not Conan but I will answer the lined holster has the smoothside of the leather is both inside and out side of the holster making a much smoother draw and my cut down on the holster wear

 

Thank you

Robert

On the Meco holster is the cant adjustable by the user or, if not, can it be specified when you order?

Robert,  Thanks for the info about the lining.  As with any new leather product, I expect the leather to soften up a little and the slightly rough texture inside should improve.  I assume smooth lining inside would be a thicker, double layered holster? Do you recommend any conditioners or products for maintainence of the leather or preserving the color?

 

Alien, when you put in the order with Robert, he is very good at asking you for your preferences and very accomodating about customizing your holster to your preferences.  I'm sure he can modify your cant if you want.



alienbogey said:

On the Meco holster is the cant adjustable by the user or, if not, can it be specified when you order?

Robert & Conan Thanks for the info about the smooth lining. I'll also talk to Robert @ Meco when I'm ready to order, but based on my concern about thickness for a IWB holster a double layered holster may not work. However, ease of draw is also an important consideration. Good thoughts Conan on using some sort of a conditioner on the leather.

I made a mock XR9-S a couple of months ago using pictures for the left side and right side of the pistol and sizing them to the correct size in Excel. I then placed 1" Styrofoam  between the pictures etc. Anyway, I believe the mock size is pretty close except in the trigger area. Based on this Mock up, I'm 99% certain I will not be able to CC in the front or back pocket. I'm concerned that adding about 2" of XR9 inside my waistline just isn't going to work unless I carry in the small of my back. But for that to work, it seems I would need a IWB holster (designed for a left handed person). I'm right handed, but a left handed holster would allow for a more natural draw from the small of the back (perhaps with a slight cant). Has anyone tried this arrangement?

A local leather shop has told me that they will sew a leather pocket for CC inside coats, vest, or bags. Has anyone tried CCW inside a vest?

Thanks



Brokedoc said:

Robert,  Thanks for the info about the lining.  As with any new leather product, I expect the leather to soften up a little and the slightly rough texture inside should improve.  I assume smooth lining inside would be a thicker, double layered holster? Do you recommend any conditioners or products for maintainence of the leather or preserving the color?

 

Alien, when you put in the order with Robert, he is very good at asking you for your preferences and very accomodating about customizing your holster to your preferences.  I'm sure he can modify your cant if you want.



alienbogey said:

On the Meco holster is the cant adjustable by the user or, if not, can it be specified when you order?

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