Any plans for a steel frame?

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Yes, a steel (or stainless steel) frame is in our future. While it will involve about an $8K investment in steel-specific cutters, and will add 5.8 oz to the weight of the gun, the durability will be increased and the felt recoil will be significantly decreased. With the added weight, I would no longer consider carrying it in a pocket, but instead would use a hip or harness holster.
Thanks for your response. I am holding out for a steel frame. I would also be very curious about the performance potential of a full-sized single action variant.

+5.8 oz wouldn't necessarily remove it from pocket pistol use. I've used the relatively heavy Kahr MK9 that way in big pocketed cargo shorts just by making sure I wore a good belt as well. I have given up my Kahr experiment for good, but with the right pants/shorts and holster I can pocket the not that light aluminum 9mm or even the steel framed .40 cal Springfield EMP, but only a big pocket allows a good draw.

 

If the aluminum works out well for me, I'll definitely be in the market for some steel for both pocket and IWB carry.

My pocket pistol is a Semmerling LM4. The weight of a steel frame is a significant asset for durability and recoil control.

Hi Arne, I've admired this gun design for over a year now and hope to own one soon.  Here in Maryland they keep a list and we can only buy guns from that list.  New guns are added all the time, all I can do iis wait for now.  

Anyhow, I have several Kahrs, including the MK9 and PM9; and agree the extra 6 or so ounces for the steel frame make the gun last longer, less recoil too, but I can't easily pocket carry the steel version. I'm not interested in steel at this time; looking for the ultimate pocket gun.

Arne Boberg said:
Yes, a steel (or stainless steel) frame is in our future. While it will involve about an $8K investment in steel-specific cutters, and will add 5.8 oz to the weight of the gun, the durability will be increased and the felt recoil will be significantly decreased. With the added weight, I would no longer consider carrying it in a pocket, but instead would use a hip or harness holster.

Something I was going to mention to Arne.  I saw an article in one of the gun mags (don't remember right now, but I believe it was a reasonably popular one) about a vendor that uses proprietary processes to explosion weld a thin piece of steel to aluminum. This is being used in a gun manufacturing process. They show an example of a steel lining on the stressed surfaces of an aluminum slide on a steel gun. Setup is pricy but cost /sq in seemed doable. Get the best of both worlds. Aluminum weight and steel durability.

The May 2012 issue of "American Rifleman" has an article titled "Explosive Bonding" at page 40.  I think it might be what you saw.  I tried to find it at the AR website, but I couldn't see a way to access the content of past issues.  I think this is quite an expensive method of fabrication, although it does seem to offer real weight savings compared to all-steel construction.  I wonder if the bond between the fairly thin steel wear layer and the underlying aluminum frame can stand up to very high impact forces?

I have shot about 6K rounds through one aluminum frame - the rail wear wasn't that significant and once the impact surfaces for the slide and barrel had settled it, it was all hard materials contacting each other.  7075-t6 aluminum is extremely wear resistant.  But if you are shooting 30K+ rounds, then I can see your point - real steel is hard to beat.

I wonder if anyone out there has any experience with aluminum-framed 1911s?  They are probably cast, and not nearly as strong and hard as wrought 7075 alloy, but I was wondering how well the frame rails wear.

Still interested in a steel frame, possibly in quantity.

Makes a "carry" gun obviously "heavier."

So are we. You could see that a All stainless version on the horizon this year. The pricing would be considerably different then the 7075 version. 

Michael Zeleny said:

Still interested in a steel frame, possibly in quantity.

The XR9 series kind of blurs the line between a small defensive carry gun (designed for emergency situations but not accurate or fun to shoot) and a range gun (usually too big to pocket or conceal but one that you can shoot all day long and enjoy). As a defensive gun I wouldn't want to change anything.... AND I can take it out to practice and become proficient without changing the mainspring every 200 rounds or abusing my hands. However it is also a range gun that I can and have shot over 1,000 rounds through (250+ in one session alone) and enjoyed. It is unlikely that I will put that many rounds through my shorty in that short a period of time again. It was part of my "break-in/is it reliable" testing... so it is perfect as is for my EDC pocket gun.

As a carry gun for close encounters I wouldn't change a thing.... But if you are considering an L or an S as a potentially high volume range gun then I can see the need for steel.

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