In the past two weeks Rohrbaugh has ceased operations and put the phones on voice mail.

Sounds like Remington is buying them out and moving the operation down to North Caralina.  The whole thing sounds like a fire sale to me.

Anyone from Long Island here that knows what is going on?

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Interesting.......Now Remington will have the R9 and R51.

Should have bought a few more recoil springs.

I was toying with offering an aftermarket replacement for their recoil springs, which would last the life of the gun.  It is not rocket science.  But someone talked me out of it saying that I shouldn't be improving the competitor's products; plus I wouldn't sell that many because most of those guns are safe queens.

As far as their operations - I see that the 2012 AFMER report came out the other day (I don't have a link handy - it was a little hard to find), and showed that they shipped just over 400 guns.  Even taking hurricane Sandy (in October) into account, that still would have been about 533 guns for the year - less than half of their best year.  I think the fact that there are now about 15 pocket nines on the market, compared to 3 back in 2004 when they started, is a factor.

I bought ser # 405X from them in 2009 and they shut production down at # 68XX per their Forum Moderator. That is 2800 guns in 4.5 years.  Do the math and that's less than 12 guns per week for that period.

I just copied this from their forum

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Re: Update on Rohrbaugh -- New Information
« Reply #15 on: Today at 12:45:54 PM »

Wow.  You really seem to have some anger issues over this...   

I am very careful to ensure things I say are true.  I'm not just some schmuck with an internet connection making this stuff up -- I've got a pretty good history of being right about Rohrbaugh if you care to review the history of this forum.  I am not wrong about this.

For the record, it is a MOVE and a SALE.  At first, all they could say is that they were moving the factory, which was true.  Then, the purchaser allowed them to divulge some limited additional facts that the company had been sold.

There is no IF the company was sold -- it was sold.  As for when the new purchaser may choose to start answering the phones -- I have no idea.  However, I suspect that they didn't buy an existing company just to shut the doors.

As for the FFL checker -- I have no idea.  Perhaps it is not up to date.  Perhaps there is other licensing involved in accepting firearms for repair in New York beyond an FFL.  Perhaps the new purchaser's legal department has an opinion about what they can and can't do in the midst of a relocation.  A couple of guns arriving in Deer Park were refused because the Rohrbaughs were told they could not legally accept them anymore.

There is not a conspiracy hiding under every rock.
What he is talking about is guys have sent their pistols in for warranty work and they were not accepted at the Rohrbaugh shop

Yep - I ran that average last year, and it came out to about 600 guns per year since the beginning.  That's about $700K in sales, with about $350K gross margin, spread among 6 employees - very tight indeed.

Non-hostile take over?  It can happen very easily.  Rohrbaugh probably reached the limit of their "IQ" = "improvement quotient."  They've been around for sometime and in the past several years, some of the other sub-compacts have nosed-ahead in the "horse race."   Hint...hint. Even "Nano."

Rohrbaugh corporate collapse (?) stuff reminds GONRA of Wildey, decades ago…..

 

After Wildey pistol had been out some months, gotta ‘phone call from a Wildey stock “pitchman”.

Poor fella sure didn’t know anything about guns!  Had to be a “prepared script”.

Was preoccupied comparing the Wildey with the original .44 AMP caliber Automag semiauto pistol.

 

Tried to explain to him his REAL competition was the MUCH CHEAPER (than Wildey) and

(unique for huge pistols/revolvers) more or less infinite “blasting life” .44 Magnum Desert Eagle.  

(Mine hasa Timney Trigger job – shoots like a target pistol!) 

He was completely unaware of the Desert Eagle REAL COMPETITION.  

He continued with some BS about a new .22 semiauto rifle Wildey was womping up…..

 

Told him ABSOLUTE MAX market for these huge pistols cannot be >10,000 guns.

Most are purchased by collector / tinker crazies, remainder by fanatical well heeled hunters.

 

Looks like Wildey ceased operation few years ago?

Anybody know how many pistols they made?

Just curious how accurate my story was.  Anybody know the facts? ???

 

Believe me, I wish all these guys the Very Best. 

But neither a expensive small BLOWBACK 9mm pistol (Rohrbaugh)

or a very expensive NON COMPETITIVE huge magnum pistol (Wildey)

is gonna be a Hot Seller / Corporate $$$ Success under any conditions.

 

PROPERLY RUN (properly capitalized?) Boberg and Seecamps are products

that CAN ACTUALLY SELL CONTINUOUSLY OVER TIME so are successful.    

Properly run is the key, but if sales volume is low, you can't survive no matter what.  Innovation can compensate for lack of market exposure when it comes to sales volume - I cite our company as an example.  We have operated with NO marketing budget (yet).  Rohrbaugh could have gone longer if it had offered a .45 because many of the current customers would have bought one, if it wasn't too high in price. 

Rohrbaughs are not blowbacks, but locked-breech.  It is just that the parts are so light, there is very little locking delay - +P could be dangerous to shoot.

As far as Wildey - I think they were just too much of a niche, like Gonra says.  I recall seeing their sales numbers in the AFMER a number of years ago as being well below 200 per year.

I'm very curious as to what TFG is going to do with Rohrbaugh.

Rohrbaugh is dangerous to shoot.  There's a tale at my range of a guy who tried putting +Ps into one.  He ruined the gun.

GONRA’s apologizes for  Rohrbaugh  BLOWBACK screwup.

Don’t have one in my reference collection.  Should have kept my Big Yap shut.

Is there any chance it could be resurrected with pricey / fancy hard-to-machine alloys

and appropriate heat treating? ???

 

Sounds like only a few thousand  (10,000)  Wildey’s are out there.

If Desert Eagles weren’t around, probably would have gotten a Wildey to hava gas operated example.

But they were really pricey, looked kinda “clunky”.

When I saw an exploded view, looked “prototypey”  (much further development / refinement needed) too.

I would be very surprised if there were 10K Wildeys out there.  My guess would be around 1500-2000 units, but I could be wrong.

Can the Rohrbaugh locking delay be fixed?  Probably not because of a few factors.  1) There isn't enough space to increase the mass of the parts unless you make the gun fatter. 2) There would have to be more slide/barrel travel before unlocking - the Beretta Pico "Re-tilt" concept comes to mind, but there may not be enough space for the added stroke without a major re-design. 3) A stronger recoil spring would mean more stress and even less spring life.  However, I have a solution for that.  The big question is if TFG would ever implement it. 

Personally, I think the longer locking delay with more spring force would allow some styles of +P to be shot in Rohrbaugh pistols without premature unlock.  Some +Ps out there are incredibly violent on the gun (like Black Hills), and would have to be run in bigger guns - you just can't violate the laws of physics.

If Rohrbaugh were still in business, I wouldn't be saying any of this just out of respect for the owners.  But now that it is in limbo, public comments like ours can be taken as suggestions for improvement for the new owners with much bigger pockets.

Some people may just like "mule-kick" firearms.  That's why the "Carried Often but Rarely Shot" slogan.  Compact but "last ditch court of last resort" gun.

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