Ok, I know, on the one hand this sounds kind of dumb. Why would anyone get one if he/she could soon buy, say, a  Boberg Micro?  Still, given the huge popularity of .380s today, a more powerful one might sell.  How cool would it be to advertise "The Most Powerful .380 on the Planet? I wonder if there might be a market for one?  Ladies, maybe.  They still carry a lot of .38 special revolvers, and an 8-shot .380 would be preferable to that, I'd say.   Many .380s don't even shoot +P loads, so there's that.  Also, many .380s  are a bit lacking in reliability for a primary SD gun...bet Arne could change that perception. 

Would the initial setup/tooling costs just be too prohibitive, or could there be a demand for this gun that might justify it?  So many  calibers, so little time...      8-)

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two words: 

What For? 

cant be made any smaller than it is...

Sure it could....

380 would be way down MY list of future Bobergs I'd like to see.

It would be a little bit shorter, but not thinner since the bullet diameters are the same.

Are there other factors in a .380 besides bullet diameters that might allow for reduced thickness?  Even so, in my experience, a quarter or even an eighth of an inch here and there can make a big difference in comfort sometmes. And the thing is, .380s sell like hotcakes: ( http://onlygunsandmoney.blogspot.com/2011/07/2010-year-of-380.html )

"While the market for rifles has dropped, the same can't be said about pistols. That market had an over 19.25% growth in production in 2010. If 2009 was the Year of the AR, then 2010 was the Year of the .380. Production in that category of pistol grew by 70.2% or 274,613 units. The growth in the production of .380 pistols accounted for three-quarters of the total growth for pistols in 2010."

I bet 2011 sales didn't slow much from that pace. 

So why wouldn't there be a strong market for a quality .380 that would improve on its biggest shortcomings-low energy, marginal penetration (especially with hollow point defensive rounds) and expansion?

Hey, I'm not interested myself (love my Shorty), but wouldn't there be some interest out there?

Or will a better designed 9mm eventually capture that market?

I already have a 380 that fits in a wallet holster, and I wouldn't want a pistol any smaller.  The 380 cart has only half the energy of a 9mmx19, and as Arne indicates, a Boberg 380 would still be about the same size as the XR9-S.  Why bother?

Well, I've front pocket carried both the LCP and TCP, for over a year.  At a whisker over 3/4" thick and with a 6 round mag they carry easily there, even in jeans.  So far the Shorty isn't really working for me there.  It's been great IWB, and I'm gonna try it back pocket when my Meco holster arrives.  Was just hoping front pocket carry would work out for me. Guess I didn't understand the thickness limitations.

Plus, the recoil of the XR9-S is roughly in the .380 range.  But then again, an XR380 may recoil like a .22 LR....

josh2415 said:

I already have a 380 that fits in a wallet holster, and I wouldn't want a pistol any smaller.  The 380 cart has only half the energy of a 9mmx19, and as Arne indicates, a Boberg 380 would still be about the same size as the XR9-S.  Why bother?

Why shoot a .25 Auto, when you can shoot a .32 Auto?

Why shoot a .32 Auto, when you can shoot a .380 Auto?

Why shoot a .380 Auto, when you can shoot a 9mm?

Why shoot a 9mm, when you can shoot a .40 S&W?

Why shoot a .40 S&W, when you can shoot a .45 ACP?

Shoot a weapon small and light enough to be concealed easily, that will carry enough rounds, but that can fire a round big enough (which will cause a hole big enough), accurately enough and with enough energy to either immediately destroy the nervous system or cause rapid loss of blood and loss of oxygen to the brain.  This bullet will penetrate sufficiently to cause the needed damage but not pass through completely to hit someone else.

Speer Gold Dot Hollow Point Data:

Caliber              Weight    Velocity   Muzzle Energy  Power Factor Test Barrel

.45 ACP +P         200 gr.   1080 fps      515 ftlbs           216              5”

.45 ACP              230 gr.    890 fps       404 ftlbs           205              5”

.45 ACP              185 gr.   1050 fps      453 ftlbs           194              5”

.45 GAP              200 gr.   970 fps        418 ftlbs          194              4”

.45 GAP              185 gr.  1090 fps       488 ftlbs          202              4”

.40 S&W             180 gr.  1025 fps       420 ftlbs          185              4”

.40 S&W             165 gr.  1150 fps       484 ftlbs          190              4”

.40 S&W             155 gr.  1200 fps       495 ftlbs          186              4”

.357 SIG             125 gr.   1350 fps      506 ftlbs           167             4”

9mm +P             124 gr.   1220 fps      410 ftlbs           151             4”

9mm                   147 gr.   985 fps       317 ftlbs           145             4”

9mm                   124 gr.  1150 fps      364 ftlbs           143             4”

.380  Auto            90 gr.   1040 fps      216 ftlbs            94             3.75”

.32  Auto             60 gr.    960 fps       123 ftlbs            58              4”

.25  Auto             35 gr.    900 fps       63 ftlbs              32              2”

If I had to pick only one round to build a delivery system around, in addition to the XR9-S, it would the .40 S&W, not the .380 Auto. Given the same price and approximate size for either pistol, I would not be choosing the .380 Auto.

If I want the perceived recoil of a .22 LR, I shoot a .22 LR. Beretta did make a pocket .22 Short, but that is a "better than nothing" gun.

Just to throw this out there:  32NAA. 

Necked down 380,

Recoils even less than 380,

Would probably reach into 1300fps range

Living in the South, I prefer stainless steel, such as in a S&W Model 60 snubbie. Missing from my previous chart is revolver data.

Speer Gold Dot Hollow Point Data:

Caliber                    Weight    Velocity   Muzzle Energy  Power Factor Test Barrel

.38 Special +P  SB  135 gr.    860 fps     222 ftlbs           116                 2”

.38 Special +P        125 gr.    945 fps     248 ftlbs           118                 4”

Simple, powerful, goes "BANG!" every time, but a pain to reload.

I would trust the effectiveness of these rounds more than the .380 Auto or the .32NAA. As you can see from the previous table, the 9mm rounds have higher muzzle energy and power factor than either of these revolver rounds.

BuffaloBore sells 100gr 1150fps  294  ft/lb 380's

(OK OK , not like they don't also sell 158gr 1250fps 38spl)

**fwiw I own a Taurus 651, snagless hammered 357

I wonder if Buffalo Bore actually delivers on those specs, and in what barrel length?  Sounds like a .380 +P+, especially with that heavy of a bullet.

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